Declaration of Basic Druidic Values

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As some of you may be aware, this site has been rather busy recently with two items being of particular interest. One has been on Unity-Working Together; the other was a Poll relating to creating a declaration of Basic Druidic Values, which grew out of that thread.

The idea is not to create some massive over-blown document, but a document that would be acceptable to all, which could be used to explain their Druridry to the world. Of course, this doesn't mean there isn't scope for anything outside of those core values, far from it; and Druidic Dawn is always keen to promote personal approaches and individualism in Druidry, and also within a group or order.

However; a small set of Core Values could be made into a declaration which would benefit all. If it were mutually inoffensive to all, it would be an ideal tool to use when people ask "So what do Druids believe?" - Such a set of core values could also be used to cleave to in times where guidance/advice might be needed - without personalities getting in the way - when action is required and sound council sought when making a decision.

This is in no way designed to bind anyone - it's something that can help people express themselves and bring together people in simple values and shared objectives.

Druidic Dawn will help in the compilation of these core values and assist in writing any such declaration which comes from them. However we're non-affiliated and our sole interest is to bring people together and encourage groups to work together. We look forward to contributions from individual Druids and Groups to make this truly a representative document.

So without further ado; it's now over to you and the community.

What individual or group Druidic Values’ should be included?

We like to start and contribute - Respect life, within yourself and all living things.

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Ah!

Ah! Thank you. 

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Is this still going on?

Hello Mike,

Yes this thread is still on going, but as you will notice not everyone has contributed at present from the intent stated elsewhere.

To understand what is happening apart from this thread it’s advisable to consult the following. The public threads Unity-Working Together and the Poll plus what has become a community member’s thread relating to a Skeleton Philosophy.

In respect of item 1

As stated on the first post above together with being respectful to previous discussions and requests.

“Druidic Dawn will help in the compilation of these core values and assist in writing any such declaration which comes from them. However we're non-affiliated and our sole interest is to bring people together and encourage groups to work together. We look forward to contributions from individual Druids and Groups to make this truly a representative document.”

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Is this still going on?

Hello folks, It has been awhile since the last post, so I have a few questions:  1) Is there actually going to be a conference comprising of various druidic Orders, who will actually engage in the writing of such a declaration?  2) If so, which organizations will make up the conference? 3) When will this conference meet? Cheers – Mike

 

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oh, yes - didn't mean to be

oh, yes - didn't mean to be emphasising OBOD, i meant that by reading around the message boards of people who identify as druids we would get vital, living info about the range of values and spiritual positions in druidry, which would enable us to better represent them as appropriate. i just happened to catch the OBOD thread in passing and suddenly realised there are dozens of such boards so it's very easy to get the kind of information needed by representatives of the kind we're dicussing.wyverne /|\ 

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Appreciate the link,

Appreciate the link, although one wonders how it might assist, apart from OBOD members bringing over and sharing their basic values here.

Overall, Druidic Dawn is responding to the community who wishes to develop a cross section of basic values. This involves thoughts from various Druid Groups, Family Traditions and Solitary Individuals, who have shown an interest in participating from the forums threads. The community welcomes contributions from members of OBOD too.

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thread on obod message board

 there's a lively thread that's gone to 12 pages and is still reasonably active on the OBOD message board - entitled 'Core values of druidry' that's well worth a peruse - some deep thinking by a wide range of druids, for people who are interested. It's at http://www.druidry.org/board/dhp/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33612wyverne /|\   

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cherishing the organic process

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. They help to shape mine. I know exactly what you mean Wyverne and it is an important point. In cherishing the organic process we are simultaneously upholding freedom and respect.

Standing by peace and love,
Elkie



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Guardians, care takers,

Guardians, care takers, stewards and much more. A saying i came up with in a vision once i want to share.

 Hail and conquer within the light, for the true balance of war is given by the balance of light and dark. For we the Celtic people shall go forth teach, and care for thos who cannot care for, and forward shall we drive our enemies and drink from them so there lost lives will not be in vain but be honour as all souls are.

It is our DUTY to teach and pass on to those after us, to teach that which is hideen and passed along. To fight passed disbelief of others and to educate those we find worthy of those ancient teaching. To share with our fellow Ovate, bards and Druids, to further the magic which is we, us they, those who carry the cosmos within. Our values ring out with a calling to bring about the ever growing universe that is us.

Druidic values are in place to help us learn and teach, to evaluate and look forward, to bring about change within an individual to see there potential. It is within us that magic as it is called, that ever flowing energy that brings us all together on this world and billions of others. The value of caring, sharing and a bonding to unite and become what we are meant to become.

 

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I think this can be broken

I think this can be broken down to some very simple things. I am simply going to state what is.

1. we are the gaurdians

2. we as druids are tasked to do what ever it takes to bring about ballance

 

seems basic I know but the things I have said are all ecompassing 

 

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Some suggestions

I go by Morri´s and CalonDraig´s points and would like to add:

We Druids/shamans are committed to heal, comfort and cure others, the earth, our creature kindered and bring equilibrium where enregies are unbalanced.

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trust in the innate wisdom and goodness of us all.

it all feels good sound and thoroughly druidic to me. the only thing that perhaps needs to be stressed is something which is sort of taken for granted by us druids but may not be so readily understood by members of less organic, more dictatorial or dogmatic organisations, and that is that these values have emerged naturally from the collective thinking of thousands of us, and not imposed top down as a condition of belonging. somewhere in that fact alone is a core value, i think, though i can't at the moment think of a concise way of articulating it. it expresses a deep trust in the innate wisdom and goodness of us all - humans, trees, birds and the cosmos itself. hope i'm posting this in the right thread! wyverne /|\  dig we must

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Astrocelt split the topic

Astrocelt split the topic when Atilla started talking about a Skeleton philosophy... Didn't want the thread going off topic:D

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Forgive me, I am totally

Forgive me, I am totally confused.

 We had a poll that suggested the majority of the group were interested in setting up Core Values ~ values which expressed what Druidry is across all the groups.

What is this skeleton philosophy? How does it relate to identifying our core values? and, are you really directing us not to explore/discuss core values until this skeleton philosophy has been established?

 Thanks!

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skeleton philosophy

We have split this thread off onto its own to here skeleton philosophy.

Although very relative to the discussion on Basic Druid Values. we would like to encourage this area to be discussed there, once the community agreed on the subject matter a concise post can be brought back here.

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Hello Morgaine,Sorry to hear

Hello Morgaine,

Sorry to hear about your computer problems, and I hope that they are resolved soon as we've missed your input in these discussions!

I have a couple of small points that aren't criticisms, just points...

and a necessary aspect of the role of spiritual counsellor or clergy

That specifically applies to groves or orders - usually those of larger size/infrastructure. I wonder if that might put off smaller groves and groupes who merely meet in celebration and ritual... Conducting rituals/running a grove is quite different to offering services as clergy, and under British law it is hard for many to do so. So wondering if that is basic in this case?

We maintain an attitude of tolerance towards other cultures, worldviews, beliefs, and spiritual practices, and promote tolerance in our work, in relationships with others, and as part of our stewardship of this world."

Not sure if that's been said, but if not then it's good... however I think it overlaps a bit with the other points. No problem though.

"We believe that self-empowerment is essential to personal well-being, to maintaining harmonious relationships, and to spiritual balance, and that it is a condition for attaining true sovereignty; therefore, we strive to attain a self-empowered state with ourselves and to maintain a favourable environment for its development in our communities and institutions."

That's a nice bit of wording, thank you! Laughing

Thanks for your contribution Morgaine and hope your IT issues are resolved in due course!

~CalonDdraig 



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Values

Greetings, All,

And apologies for having been so long silent. Our computers have been in for constant repairs, and mine finally died after another set of storms came through without warning (in the mountains, that is easier than one might think). At present ADO and I are computerless, but we're working to resolve the problem. In the meanwhile, I had a chance to log on today. I see some great things being posted, and would like to comment as follows on Morri's post (with which I am in substantial agreement):

  • We believe that knowledge, excellence and integrity are the foundations of fulfillment.

I would suggest changing this to "understanding, excellence, and integrity".

  • We believe that serving our communities is important to our personal well-being.

I would suggest adding "and a necessary aspect of the role of spiritual counsellor or clergy." I would also suggest adding two further points:

"We maintain an attitude of tolerance towards other cultures, worldviews, beliefs, and spiritual practices, and promote tolerance in our work, in relationships with others, and as part of our stewardship of this world."

"We believe that self-empowerment is essential to personal well-being, to maintaining harmonious relationships, and to spiritual balance, and that it is a condition for attaining true sovereignty; therefore, we strive to attain a self-empowered state with ourselves and to maintain a favourable environment for its development in our communities and institutions."

Hope you find this useful, and hope to be back here posting regularly soon!

Abundant blessings,

Morgaine

 

 

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That said "We believe all

That said "We believe all things have spirit" is far more universal and I think better than just refering to specific man/animals. Perhaps "We believe that all things have spirit which we aim to honour as highly as we can." Maybe sounds better or maybe not... people might not like the idea of responsibility (although don't we all have our social responsibility?)

Nothing said so far is offensive to me, and I'd be interested to hear from someone who might think these proposals offensive... it's not like we're arguing over who's got the best gods or funkiest archdruid... leave that to others who have interests in such things. But all we've said so far can go with that regardless of your own gods and ancestors/who you practice with.

Nice topic so far and I very much look forward to more discourse on it!

~CalonDdraig 



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Thanks CalonDdraig! I

Thanks CalonDdraig! I appreciate your positive feedback!

I like your two points also. The first one concerning "the divine in every man, woman, child and living thing" should simply replace the bullet point "We believe that all things have spirit." I was trying to say the same thing, but I think you have articulated it much better.

I also agree that the sacredness of the environment should be pulled out and expressed as its own point. I like how you have done it here also.

 Thank you so much CalonDdraig!!! :D

 I am interested to know how people are reacting to these proposals.. do they fit for people or are they offensive to some??

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Wow, those are some great

Wow, those are some great statements Morri! 

If I were called to make a statement about my Druidic Path, I'd use most of those bullet points. They are short, sharp and to the point. Really impressive. I'd add a couple more to the list if I may?

  • There is that of the devine in every man, woman child and living thing and this devine soul should be recognised and honoured.
  • We believe the Earth and natural environment to be sacred and aspire to protect and conserve its resources.

Okay, my wording isn't exactly great but hope that can be a contribution.

I'm really interested to see where this goes, but of all the posts made above, yours Morri is in my opinion, the best so far. You've taken the bull by the horns and got this rolling, and with some good points so far! Thanks.

~CalonDdraig



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Some Suggestions

What individual or group Druidic Values’ should be included?

We like to start and contribute - Respect life, within yourself and all living things.

I am having a hard time phrasing things in the same way as you have, DD Admin, so please forgive me for changing the format slightly and do feel free to change it to something that fits with your initial statement. But here are some of my suggestions.

  • We believe in a Divine force greater than ourselves, and we believe that it is important for each individual to experience and interact with Divinity in their own way. The connection to Divinity, the Gods and/or the Ancestors is intensely personal and must be respected.
  • We believe that all things have spirit.
  • We believe in the immortality of our souls.
  • We believe in respecting life, within ourselves and in all living things.
  • We believe that knowledge, excellence and integrity are the foundations of fulfillment.
  • We believe in striving for excellence, both in our character and in what we do.
  • We believe that learning and study is a life-long commitment.
  • We believe in loyalty, courage, honesty, wisdom, justice, equality, hospitality, eloquence, gentleness and strength.
  • We believe that serving our communities is important to our personal well-being.
  • We believe that art is an important expression of our spirituality.
  • We believe that Truth is an absolute, that we can only see small parts of it ourselves and this may make it appear to be relative, but we still pursue understanding Truth to the best of our ability.

I do not know if all these things are applicable to all traditions. We had a workshop recently where we identified animism, the belief in the immortal soul, the belief in a Divine force of some kind, and several other things I've included above as being representative of all our beliefs. I do not know if there were groups who were not represented there who would object to anything that we had discussed.

I'm sure that this needs polishing, but I thought it might get the ball rolling toward some concrete discussions about what values/beliefs we all share.

 

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the reality map

I have been talking about a ‘skeleton philosophy’ for some time [since coming onto the druids forums], so are we talking about something like that here?

If so then it’s a druids lot to know the world [as inferred by Caesars comments about druids thinking they knew the world] [I think it was him lols]. By world we can take the idea to its highest level I.e. our reality map!

For me the reality map includes and goes beyond science and the universe, and by drawing a fuller map [a never ending task, probably] we may derive our principles by the very ‘nature’ of things.

If we wish to pursue this line of inquiry we will all need to get our thinking caps on in a big way. For me this is my whole direction in Druidry, I think it is all about contemporary thought as a spiritual and philosophical exercise.

 



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yes, freedom. the

yes, freedom. the all-present imagery of the tree metaphor is probably shared by most druids. that keeps us organic, free-thinking, dynamic, in tune with the reality etc. 

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‘wisdom decides’

Personally I can just use a single term for my Druidry; universalism. …but I understand what you are saying, if not to sum up I would go with a samurai notion of taking everything by the moment, that no ethics or morals exist until the moment when we must find the wisest way to proceed. Sometime that may even mean going against our previously held convictions.

More to the point of Druidry, the inspiration I get from the ancient spirit is that ‘wisdom decides’! it isn’t about the ideals but the people! What we think changes and hence it is wisdom of individuals to the particular by which we ‘naturally’ find our ways.



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It's not an easy task, to

It's not an easy task, to sum it up like that. My druidry incorporates a definite 'code of ethics' or virtue path, to which i commit myself freely. Not only the druid's prayer that commits me to a love of justice, which i take for a call to activism, to take positive action to promote peace, justice and truthfulness in all social systems and beyond, all in a spirit of respectfulness for all beings, even those opposing us in our just actions, but the vows we swear to stand by peace and love commit us to good faith. My pentacle holds me to a fivefold path of love/charity/mercy, strength/health/soundness, courage/unselfishness/hardiness, truthfulness/honesty/integrity, wisdom/learning/sanity. I must aspire in all my doings to these ideals. wyverne /|\ dig we must

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I think that if we can, then we should find single terms

Here’s my contribution, I think that if we can, then we should find single terms for any aspects we mean to portray. Equally a celtic and standard term [non celtic].

Knowledge through experience [and recognition of the level of experience in some way].

Gnosis or inner knowledge from the otherworld and the ancestors.

Liminality / | \ the essence of druidic spirituality [?] and something people outside of Druidry would understand ~ though admittedly mainly met physicists.

Universality

Connection to the earth, the elements, the stars, the void, the awen, general recognition of a oneness to which all individuals are separate but one.

Balance

Guardianship

secrecy